Thursday, April 16, 2009

Why Vote No in the matter of bishop-elect Kevin Thew Forrester?

I have been heartened by what many respected theologians and bishops in the Episcopal Church are saying about the election of Kevin Thew Forrester in Northern Michigan. A significant number of leading Episcopalians - particularly in the center and even left-center -- are saying that Kevin Thew Forrester's practice and theology are sufficient cause to deny consent.

To an extent not seen much in recent years, we are seeing progressives and moderate leaders standing up to say, "We are for inclusion, and a broad spectrum of folks in our Church, but we also uphold the doctrine and discipline of the Book of Common Prayer."

Notably, bishops Tom Breidenthal, Michael Curry, Ted Gulick, Paul Marshall, and Gregory Rickel have all said they are not giving consent. Breidenthal, Marshall and Rickel have published well-written epistles explaining their non-consent. These writings in my view are something all Episcopalians should read -- because they are good examples of theological reflection in the service of the faithful discharge of one's duties.

In addition to these bishops, a number of progressive and moderate laity and clergy have likewise asserted the importance of bishops-elect upholding the doctrine and discipline of the Prayer Book. Here are some quotations:

It didn't seem on my reading that +Breidenthal is using penal substitutionary atonement as a litmus test (as some do) but that he's protesting an absence of the concept of sin.
---- Derek Olsen


Bishop Breidenthal wrote, "According to Thew Forrester, Jesus revealed in his own person the way that any of us can be at one with God, if only we can overcome the blindness that prevents us from recognizing our essential unity with God. The problem here is that the death of Jesus as an atonement for our sins is completely absent, and purposely so. As I read Thew Forrester, nothing stands between us and God but our own ignorance of our closeness to God. When our eyes are opened, atonement (not for our sins, but understood as a realization of our essential unity with God) is achieved."

I live quite near the epicenter of the Unity School of Christianity, this understanding of Jesus seems quite familiar to me. It is a modern quasi-Gnosticism, in which the believer's right perception is important, and not any existential act of God in Christ. The most esoteric of the Christian mystics never denied that our unity with God is in and through Christ. Most of those who speak as Bishop Breidenthal describes never quite get to a docetic Christology; but theirs is certainly one of Jesus as Great Moral Teacher, and perhaps as Prophet, but not as Messiah.

I can't speak to the accuracy of the Bishop's interpretation, because I haven't seen the documents myself. However, if this is how Bishop Breidenthal understands Bishop-elect Thew Forrestor's Christology, I can't blame Bishop Breidenthal for choosing not to support the election.
-------Marshall Scott


If Fr. Forrester's views are as Breidenthal describes them, there is every reason to withhold consent. I know that Breidenthal is a judicious , charitable, and intelligent man. It is clear he bent over backward to give Forrester a fair hearing and was not in the end convinced. His letter acknowledges a broad, generous orthodoxy, including a variety of interpretations of the atonement, but there are some limits imposed by the basic Christian narrative and the normative exegetical-liturgical traditions as we have received them and are attempting to carry them forward as the Church in our own day. If you can't develop some positive account of what it means to assert that "Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification," you probably can't do the job a bishop is required to do. Same thing goes for denying the bodily resurrection by the way. God's gracious initiative in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus liberates us from the power of sin and death. A bishop is fundamentally an apostle: an embodied witness to the Easter Gospel and its life-changing power.

... Forrester's failure to use the baptismal rite of the 1979 Prayer Book alone, in my view, disqualifies him from confirmation as a bishop. The Prayer Book has the force of canon law, and, while there is some latitude in how the liturgies are fleshed out, Forrester's departure seems to be of such a kind that he is no longer conforming to the doctrine, discipline, and worship of the Episcopal Church.

Sorry to disappoint some of my liberal friends, but I think Bishop Breidenthal got it more or less right.

I also think that, if as he alleges, the process in Northern Michigan, which had no proper election, is consistent with the canons, then the canons need to be amended so that this kind of thing can't happen again. I am gravely concerned that a single unopposed candidate was brought forward.
------Bill Carroll


I have read Bp Breidenthal's letter with some attention. I had also read some of the sermons to which he refers, as well as other material from Bp-elect Thew Forrester.

I approach this from the language of the canons, which requires standing committees to state that they "know of no impediment" to the consecration. This leads to a discussion of "what is an impediment." It seems to me that the impediment (if it is truly there) in this present case would be the impediment of "defective intent." Thew Forrester is not happy with the present theology of the Episcopal Church, it seems. It is not that he denies the "satisfaction theory" of the atonement, but appears to deny the need for any theology of atonement whatever, as the "division" which "at-one-ment" is designed to remedy is purely illusory -- and artifact of human imperceptions.

Just as in marriage counselling I advise couples not to marry if they are intent on "changing" their partners to become more what they wish they were (a formula for disaster in my experience) so too I do not think it wise for one to seek to take up the mantle of a guardian of the faith if one is intent on being its reformer. This is not to say we need not work for change in certain aspects of the church's life -- but the object of change the Bp-elect seems to be intent on is a "core doctrine" --- and if one cannot sign on to that core doctrine, as it stands, it seems to me that there is an instance of defective intent.

I said the same thing regarding the Bp of South Carolina in terms of intent to observe the discipline of the church; and was heartened by his eventual clarifications that he had no intent to lead his diocese out of the church. The clarifications that the Bp-elect of N.Mich. has issued to date do not offer me the same kind of assurance in view of doctrine. He really does appear to think what Bp Breidenthal perceives him to think. He is welcome to those thoughts -- but it seems to me not to commend his episcopacy.

... I think Thew Forrester reveals himself to be a more than able administrator -- I would say it is his strong suit. And if that's all that being a bishop was about, I'd say, fine. But I don't think it is unusual to expect bishops to have a theological grounding and centering in those basic Christian doctrines. (BTW, I do not think T-F is inclining in an Eastward direction (at least towards Eastern Orthodoxy) and notions of theosis -- which is always in and through Christ. He admittedly passes further east to notions of awakening, shedding of illusion, and so on. Reading his sermons was an eye-opener for me. And if it is true they've been removed from public view, that seems all the more suspicious.

So in the long run, I don't think an examination of theological views is likely to stifle the election of theologically astute bishops. To expect bishops to be articulate exponents of the church's teaching is, I think, not too much to hope for.

[Certainly]... all doctrine is subject to further examination and elucidation -- that is part of the theologian's task. But "core" doctrine is "core" because it contains the postulates of the faith, some basic affirmations upon which the rest of the doctrine is built. Which is not to say they are a closed book: to date the church as a whole has not settled on any one particular theology of the Atonement, for instance.

But when core doctrines appear to be, not just being understood in new ways (which I think is great) but dismantled or misused (T-F's explication of kenosis in one of his "responses to criticism" seems to me to be almost completely backwards); or not clearly explicated (as in his response concerning the Incarnation) then I find that there is a question about suitability for the office of bishop.

As to N.N.'s observation that the church might be wrong, I not only agree but can join the 39 Articles in affirming that it is definitely sometimes wrong. I do not think the core doctrines are under threat by gays and women -- on the contrary, I think they are being more fully realized.

..... [The issue of including GLBT Christians is very important to me] but I don't see it as having any relevance to the discussion of bishop elect Thew Forrester. Here we are dealing, not just with novel ways of expressing or exploring the old truths concerning God and the nature of God, but with what appear to be rejections of the old truths -- which are not true because they are old, but old because they are true.

We will indeed see some old things pass away (God willing) in our lifetimes; but there are also eternal realities that will stand, indeed, upon which the change in the others is dependent. This is part of what Jim is referring to as intellectual coherence.

I would welcome from Thew Forrester, for example, a clear answer -- in his own words and without resorting to quotes from anybody else -- to the question, "What essential differences do you see between Buddhism and Christianity?" I have no objection to the use of Buddhist practice, and many of the moral ideals of Buddhism are remarkably congruent with a Christian life. But it appears to me that there are important distinctions as well, and I remain troubled by what I see as some of the elements of Buddhism that do not sit well with Christianity being imported into KTF's teaching and liturgical expression. A comment on the difference between satori and salvation, for example, would be helpful -- as KTF appears to see the latter in light of the former.

It is not that I'm trying to get him to say the words I want to hear, but that I want to hear something I recognize -- in its meaning -- as at the heart of the Christian faith. I see that in Rahner, I see that in the Cappadocians -- but in spite of quoting from them I don't see it in KTF -- in his own words.
-- Tobias Haller


The Episcopal Church states that it upholds the ecumenical creeds, the canons and the apostolic succession/historic episcopate. This connects us organically to one particular set of communities out of the mix of so-called early Christianities.

It pains me to see many progressive Christians making a bee-line for ancient heresies, often without ever looking at the wide breadth of Christianities that fall entirely within credal orthodoxy.
-- Derek Olsen


A Church without core doctrine is intellectually incoherent.
------Jim Naughton

8 comments:

Christopher said...

Fr. Jones,

I came here first after noting the latest at Derek's precisely because of the creedal emphasis.

From whence did these remarks come? I would like to join in and add my own thoughts on such a website. I note that I've offered some responses on my blog as well in my four most recent posts:

There is a tolerance that ends up tearing down the roomy house. There is an inclusion that fails to discern.

Such thinking denies the uniqueness of the Incarnation, the Atonement, and is fundamentally Pelagian. This is not to deny the possibility of orthodox mystical theologies, but this is not it. The possibility of "more realized union" exists at all because of Jesus's overcoming of alienation (sin) and our being baptized into His newness of life.

Furthermore, substituting private rites for the the central rites (Baptism and Eucharist) as laid out in our Prayer Book is deeply problematic. The orthodox and breadth of our common rites has been vetted in a way that private rites have not been.

and

It’s [the Quadrilateral] a reserved set with a lot of nuance and room for divergence, disagreement, and diversity—all of which we have in abundance. For example, “standard of faith” in part (a) is directed toward understanding that in Scripture what we can glean from the word is who God is and who God is for us. The words of Scripture are not self-referential, but in study, prayer, and especially in public proclamation refer us to the Living God we know in Jesus Christ. This is distinct from a Puritan or Fundamentalist understanding that scripture is the ultimate standard of faith and morals, or faith and science. Rather, part (b) makes clear what is saving in the Scriptures, namely who God is and who God is for us uniquely and ultimately as revealed in Jesus Christ. These are “sufficient” statements, meaning that we recognize they cannot fully capture the Mystery of God, as no words could, but that they tell us adequately and savingly who God is and is for us as shown in Christ, and that God is consistent in character in God’s infinitude as with God’s self-communication in Christ. In other words, God in all of God’s mystery will not be at odds with the nature and character of God as revealed in Jesus. The Creeds do not overdefine, but rather mark out unacceptable options that the early Christian communities faced, such as thinking that creation and material existence are other than the gifts of a good and loving God, suggesting that the God of the Old Testament is other than the God of the New, determining that Jesus is other than fully human or fully God, or teaching that the Holy Spirit is less than God.

and

As I remind in my letter below, orthodoxy, is not a mere aside or about assent to propositions as some kind of ideology. Again, in the earliest Proper Preface, "theology" rather than "doxology" was the term used for the angels and archangels praising God in the Sanctus. Theology is about our proclamation of and praising of God. Our Creeds are not propositions only, but alive statements of who God is and who God is for us as shown in saving words and deeds. We profess, proclaim, praise, and pray that Jesus Christ himself, very God-Man, is the culminating, final saving revelation in his very Person. If we don't get if sufficiently right at the point of who God is and who God is for us as communicated in the Person of Jesus Christ, we're in serious trouble. This sufficiency in the Creeds is delineated largely in areas marked off as unacceptable, rather than offering a comprehensive set. But mark my words, salvation is at stake. Not that God cannot or will not save us and bring us into eternal life even if we err. Not that we are saved by believing propositions, but that we are saved because of our being in living relationship with the Persons whom these doctrines sufficiently describe, point to, and refer us. F.D. Maurice puts it this way,

We say that in Christ the Trinity is revealed substantially. It is not a doctrine, unless it is more than a doctrine. Either real Persons are declared to us, or nothing is declared about those Persons. Either a real Unity is declared, or nothing is made known to us about a Unity.

Greg Jones said...

Christopher,

Thanks. I culled them from Episcopal Cafe. I will try and make that link evident. But please, keep leaving good comments here!!! Thanks, and thanks for coming back after all these years.

Fr. Bryan Owen said...

Christopher, one link to look at is this one over at Episcopal Cafe.

I've been impressed to see Episcopalians across the theological spectrum - Left, Center, and Right - come together for the sake of expressing concerns and opposition to Forrester's election. While it saddens me that it's taken something like this to bring our unity to the foreground, I'm also heartened to see that it's really there.

At the risk of tooting my own horn, I'd like to bring attention to my critique of Forrester for replacing the Epistle reading with a reading from the Qur'an in a Sunday Eucharist. This adds many, many more reasons for saying "No!"

I'm also pleased to say that I've just received word that the Standing Committee of the Diocese of Mississippi has voted against consenting to Forrester's election.

Thanks be to God!

And may many more Standing Committees follow suit!

Bill Carroll said...

It's a source of some sadness to me that the standing committee in Mississippi feels it must withhold consent. That doesn't mean they didn't make the right decision, but it is a source of sadness nonetheless. I am glad that we seem to be finding our corporate spine and that such an interesting coalition of conservatives, moderates, and liberals is contending for the faith once delivered. I assume you all saw Paul Marshall's remarks.

Christopher said...

Fr. Jones,

Happy to comment. I continue to read often.

Fr. Bill,

What were Bp. Marshall's words? He is a bishop with a great deal of liturgical-theological acumen and a thinker I highly respect, and I would be interested in knowing his thoughts.

Thanks Fr. Owens. I offered a similar criticism at haligweorc. The Qu'ran denies explicitly the Incarnation and Trinity--the core doctrines of our Creeds. It's one thing to have a luncheon after the Mass, read a passage, and invite an Islamic practitioner and scholar to speak. It's another thing to proclaim this from the ambo as "The Word of Lord."

It is interesting that finding our unity is on matters of core. I think that that itself should be instructive for all of us because our core touches on who God is and who we are. I hope this will raise our level of conversation to matters of faith for a while. And it is sad, just as the defrocking of Dr. Redding is sad, but I think this can be handled fairly and pastorally while affirming our core.

Greg Jones said...

Christopher, Bill, et. al.,

I would of course be very sad for any person either denied or removed from what they feel is their calling. However, I feel it is simply a matter of "love plus justice" that we uphold what we believe, proclaim, pray and say is "just" in the fullest sense of that word. What our church calls "just" is what it says in the creeds, in the prayers, in the hymns and practices of our shared and common life.

I share with Christopher a sense of joy - that however sad it is to say, "No," in "love with justice" to someone - that at least it is done from a broad-based sense of "but this is what we believe."

I would much rather we look at ways of forming and speaking from consensus about our shared proclamation - and not focusing on those issues which may only represent the dreams of a few.

Maybe it's generational, maybe not. In our parish we have a large range of folks who simply do not and will not agree on every controverted point. But, the key, is that all rejoice in the shared experience of the Holy Spirit in our midst, and we realize that not only should we 'put up with each other's differences of opinion' - we need each other. What binds us - is the shared commitment to the space made by the four boundaries of Scripture, creed, sacrament and apostolic order. These boundaries are not walls intended to keep the world out - but rather the face, skin, bones and order of how we believe Christ looks and is incarnate in us. They are about integrity of identity in Christ - not barriers to entry, or weapons to punish those we "leave out."

Fr. Bryan Owen said...

Well said, Greg. I particularly like the way you distinguish between boundaries and barriers. I just might have to quote you in a blog posting ...

Vicki McGrath said...

+Paul Marshall's comment can be found here on the Diocese of Bethlehem's website: http://diobeth.typepad.com/diobeth_newspin/2009/04/on-the-northern-michigan-episcopate.html
He especially critiques Forrester's Trinitarian theology (or lack of it).

I also am very glad to see that this election and consent process has been a wake up call to tending the boundaries of central Christian belief. It reminds me of the discussion in the UK sometime ago about Prince Charles (should he ever get to be king) want the title changed from "Defender of the Faith" to "Defender of Faith"; subtle, but a major difference.

Vicki+